MY compu seems to freeze

frazelle09 · Post by **frazelle09** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:19 am

Am using PCLinuxOS fully updated and a Ryzen 5 and FAH 7.4.4.1 and after a while the compu freezes.

Operating System: PCLinuxOS 2021
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.77.0
Qt Version: 5.15.2
Kernel Version: 5.9.16-pclos1
OS Type: 64-bit
Processors: 8 × AMD Ryzen 5 3400G with Radeon Vega Graphics
Memory: 5.8 GiB of RAM
Graphics Processor: AMD Radeon™ Vega 11 Graphics

i don't really know if it's due to our using FAH or something that has to do with the Ryzen. i want to keep folding but some of the guys on the forum seem to think i'm contributing to climate destruction...

i realize these are two topics - the most important one for the time being is to figure out how to continue to use the software.

Have a beautiful evening and please stay safe!

JimboPalmer · Post by **JimboPalmer** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:26 am

That is a really old version of F@H, consider 7.6.21

To give good advice, we need to see the first 200 lines of your log, where it shows your configuration and settings.
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=26036
should explain how.

frazelle09 · Post by **frazelle09** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:02 pm

Dear Jimbo: Thank you very much for replying so quickly!

i d/l, installed and started folding w/ 7.6.21 but after less than a min. the sys. froze and we had to hit the power button to turn off the compu. Rebooted into Safe mode and disinstalled FAH. This morning we went into /var/lib/fahclient and found 3 logs the last of which i am posting in its entirety since i think it didn't reach the 200 line limit...

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*********************** Log Started 2021-01-09T15:15:01Z ***********************
15:15:01:************************* Folding@home Client *************************
15:15:01:    Website: http://folding.stanford.edu/
15:15:01:  Copyright: (c) 2009-2014 Stanford University
15:15:01:     Author: Joseph Coffland <[email protected]>
15:15:01:       Args: --child --lifeline 4011 /etc/fahclient/config.xml --run-as
15:15:01:             fahclient --pid-file=/var/run/fahclient.pid --daemon
15:15:01:     Config: /etc/fahclient/config.xml
15:15:01:******************************** Build ********************************
15:15:01:    Version: 7.4.4
15:15:01:       Date: Mar 4 2014
15:15:01:       Time: 12:01:17
15:15:01:    SVN Rev: 4130
15:15:01:     Branch: fah/trunk/client
15:15:01:   Compiler: GNU 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-46)
15:15:01:    Options: -std=gnu++98 -O3 -funroll-loops -mfpmath=sse -ffast-math
15:15:01:             -fno-unsafe-math-optimizations -msse2
15:15:01:   Platform: linux2 2.6.18-164.11.1.el5
15:15:01:       Bits: 64
15:15:01:       Mode: Release
15:15:01:******************************* System ********************************
15:15:01:        CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3400G with Radeon Vega Graphics
15:15:01:     CPU ID: AuthenticAMD Family 23 Model 24 Stepping 1
15:15:01:       CPUs: 8
15:15:01:     Memory: 5.82GiB
15:15:01:Free Memory: 4.11GiB
15:15:01:    Threads: POSIX_THREADS
15:15:01: OS Version: 5.9
15:15:01:Has Battery: false
15:15:01: On Battery: false
15:15:01: UTC Offset: -8
15:15:01:        PID: 4016
15:15:01:        CWD: /var/lib/fahclient
15:15:01:         OS: Linux 5.9.16-pclos1 x86_64
15:15:01:    OS Arch: AMD64
15:15:01:       GPUs: 0
15:15:01:       CUDA: Not detected
15:15:01:***********************************************************************
15:15:01:<config>
15:15:01:  <!-- Folding Slot Configuration -->
15:15:01:  <gpu v='false'/>
15:15:01:
15:15:01:  <!-- Slot Control -->
15:15:01:  <power v='light'/>
15:15:01:
15:15:01:  <!-- User Information -->
15:15:01:  <user v='anonymous'/>
15:15:01:
15:15:01:  <!-- Folding Slots -->
15:15:01:  <slot id='0' type='CPU'/>
15:15:01:</config>
15:15:01:Switching to user fahclient
15:15:01:Trying to access database...
15:15:01:Successfully acquired database lock
15:15:01:Enabled folding slot 00: READY cpu:4
15:15:01:WU01:FS00:Downloading core from http://cores.foldingathome.org/lin/64bit-avx-256/a8-0.0.9/Core_a8.fah
15:15:01:WU01:FS00:Connecting to cores.foldingathome.org:80
15:15:02:WU01:FS00:FahCore a8: Downloading 7.59MiB
15:15:04:WU01:FS00:FahCore a8: Download complete
15:15:04:WU01:FS00:Valid core signature
15:15:04:WU01:FS00:Unpacked 17.10MiB to cores/cores.foldingathome.org/lin/64bit-avx-256/a8-0.0.9/Core_a8.fah/FahCore_a8
15:15:04:WU01:FS00:Starting
15:15:04:WU01:FS00:Running FahCore: /usr/bin/FAHCoreWrapper /var/lib/fahclient/cores/cores.foldingathome.org/lin/64bit-avx-256/a8-0.0.9/Core_a8.fah/FahCore_a8 -dir 01 -suffix 01 -version 704 -lifeline 4016 -checkpoint 15 -np 4
15:15:04:WU01:FS00:Started FahCore on PID 4768
15:15:04:WU01:FS00:Core PID:4772
15:15:04:WU01:FS00:FahCore 0xa8 started
[93m15:15:05:WARNING:WU01:FS00:FahCore returned: BAD_WORK_UNIT (114 = 0x72)[0m
15:15:05:WU01:FS00:Sending unit results: id:01 state:SEND error:FAULTY project:16933 run:70 clone:34 gen:62 core:0xa8 unit:0x000000220000003e0000422500000046
15:15:05:WU01:FS00:Uploading 4.50KiB to 129.32.209.203
15:15:05:WU01:FS00:Connecting to 129.32.209.203:8080
15:15:05:WU01:FS00:Upload complete
15:15:05:WU01:FS00:Server responded WORK_QUIT (404)
15:15:05:WU00:FS00:Connecting to 65.254.110.245:8080
[93m15:15:05:WARNING:WU01:FS00:Server did not like results, dumping[0m
15:15:05:WU01:FS00:Cleaning up
15:15:06:WU00:FS00:Assigned to work server 129.32.209.203
15:15:06:WU00:FS00:Requesting new work unit for slot 00: READY cpu:4 from 129.32.209.203
15:15:06:WU00:FS00:Connecting to 129.32.209.203:8080
15:15:06:WU00:FS00:Downloading 752.00KiB
15:15:07:WU00:FS00:Download complete
15:15:07:WU00:FS00:Received Unit: id:00 state:DOWNLOAD error:NO_ERROR project:16933 run:31 clone:53 gen:89 core:0xa8 unit:0x0000003500000059000042250000001f
15:15:07:WU00:FS00:Starting
15:15:07:WU00:FS00:Running FahCore: /usr/bin/FAHCoreWrapper /var/lib/fahclient/cores/cores.foldingathome.org/lin/64bit-avx-256/a8-0.0.9/Core_a8.fah/FahCore_a8 -dir 00 -suffix 01 -version 704 -lifeline 4016 -checkpoint 15 -np 4
15:15:07:WU00:FS00:Started FahCore on PID 4795
15:15:07:WU00:FS00:Core PID:4799
15:15:07:WU00:FS00:FahCore 0xa8 started
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:*********************** Log Started 2021-01-09T15:15:07Z ***********************
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:************************** Gromacs Folding@home Core ***************************
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Core: Gromacs
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Type: 0xa8
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:    Version: 0.0.9
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:     Author: Joseph Coffland <[email protected]>
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:  Copyright: 2020 foldingathome.org
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:   Homepage: https://foldingathome.org/
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Date: Oct 28 2020
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Time: 22:13:41
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:   Compiler: GNU 8.3.0
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:    Options: -faligned-new -std=c++14 -fsigned-char -ffunction-sections
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:             -fdata-sections -O3 -funroll-loops -fno-pie
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:   Platform: linux2 4.15.0-108-generic
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Bits: 64
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Mode: Release
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       SIMD: avx_256
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:     OpenMP: ON
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       CUDA: OFF
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Args: -dir 00 -suffix 01 -version 704 -lifeline 4795 -checkpoint 15 -np 4
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:************************************ libFAH ************************************
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Date: Oct 28 2020
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Time: 22:12:00
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:   Compiler: GNU 8.3.0
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:    Options: -faligned-new -std=c++14 -fsigned-char -ffunction-sections
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:             -fdata-sections -O3 -funroll-loops -fno-pie
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:   Platform: linux2 4.15.0-108-generic
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Bits: 64
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Mode: Release
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:************************************ CBang *************************************
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Date: Oct 28 2020
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Time: 22:11:46
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:   Compiler: GNU 8.3.0
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:    Options: -faligned-new -std=c++14 -fsigned-char -ffunction-sections
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:             -fdata-sections -O3 -funroll-loops -fno-pie -fPIC
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:   Platform: linux2 4.15.0-108-generic
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Bits: 64
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       Mode: Release
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:************************************ System ************************************
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:        CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3400G with Radeon Vega Graphics
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:     CPU ID: AuthenticAMD Family 23 Model 24 Stepping 1
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:       CPUs: 8
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:     Memory: 5.82GiB
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Free Memory: 3.48GiB
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:    Threads: POSIX_THREADS
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8: OS Version: 5.9
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Has Battery: false
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8: On Battery: false
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8: UTC Offset: -8
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:        PID: 4799
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:        CWD: /var/lib/fahclient/work
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:********************************************************************************
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Project: 16933 (Run 31, Clone 53, Gen 89)
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Unit: 0x00000000000000000000000000000000
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Reading tar file core.xml
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Reading tar file frame89.tpr
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Digital signatures verified
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Calling: mdrun -c frame89.gro -s frame89.tpr -x frame89.xtc -cpt 15 -nt 4 -ntmpi 1
15:15:08:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Steps: first=44500000 total=45000000
15:15:09:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Completed 1 out of 500000 steps (0%)
15:16:05:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Completed 5000 out of 500000 steps (1%)
15:16:26:Lost lifeline PID 4011, exiting
15:16:28:FS00:Shutting core down
15:16:28:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Caught signal SIGINT(2) on PID 4799
15:16:28:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Exiting, please wait. . .
15:16:28:WU00:FS00:0xa8:Folding@home Core Shutdown: INTERRUPTED
15:16:28:Clean exit

Have a great morning and please stay safe!

Post by **bruce** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:54 pm

First guess: Inadequate cooling leading to a CPU shutting down to protect itself.

FAH attempts to use ALL unused resources and if your cooling system is filled with dust or was underdesigned (or if you're overclocking) FAH will prove it's really an unstable system.

Neil-B · Post by **Neil-B** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:09 pm

If you haven't got something for monitoring temps someone will recommend one (I use win so cant really help) ... Once you have that installed look at your temperatures for both cpu and gpu without FaH running ... it is possible to install FaH and then pause any slots that are created ... If you do that then start the temperatures monitoring get a feel for what is the stable/normal then unpause one of the Fah slots (assuming two have been created (one cpu and one gpu) - I'd try the cpu first tbh.

If bruce is right (and he usually is) the temps of your kit will spike under the load and rapidly increase to levels that the system can't cope with ... pause the slot before it gets too high !! ... if this is the case then we can advise on things you might be able to do to tune your system/setup and/or improve your cooling to see if we can get FaH running stable for you.

Obviously is temps remain ok then we can try looking for something else.

frazelle09 · Post by **frazelle09** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:13 pm

Thanks for replying, bruce!

Well, our system is only a month or so old. It's got the big CPU fan and actually it's sitting on its side with the "top" off at this point - so it's totally open.

It's not overclocked.

Maybe it just can't be used for FAH. Have a radiant morning and as always, please stay safe!

frazelle09 · Post by **frazelle09** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:19 pm

Wow, another poster! Thanks for replying Neil-B! Uh, i'm using a small program called gKrellm which gives me the temps. At this point they're at 28 C.

i'll try d/l and running it again but what i saw before the unit froze was up around 58 C. i need to figure out how to use the control panel or whatever it is better in order to pause folding, otherwise the sys. freezes and i have to uninstall, etc., etc.

Thanks for taking your time to help and as always, please stay safe!

Neil-B · Post by **Neil-B** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:23 pm

Still worth checking temps as bad paste between cpu and cooler (however large/good it is) can cause issues ... but if new system then would be surprised to find it can't be used - but a bit of work may be required to find out what is causing the issue .. Let me do some thinking/research (may take a day or so) and I'll try to come up with a list of things to check - there are some checklists for new users on the new user forum - an bruce or others may well have further ideas

linux advanced control can be an arse to get working in linux (tbh) but web control should work - there will be linux gurus here who will be able to walk you through getting it working - but help can be a bit asynchronous so you may need to wait for responses

Post by **bruce** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:25 pm

Some percentage of new systems come with poor contact between the CPU and the heatsink. If the final inspection didn't find that problem, it's poor manufacturing QC. (That can be fixed.)

Any system from a reliable manufacturer should be able to run continuously at 100% load without exceeding recommended maximums.

Neil-B · Post by **Neil-B** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:26 pm

there will be a flag that can be stated when starting fah .. I know the way to do this with windows but I cant help with linux

frazelle09 · Post by **frazelle09** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:54 pm

Thanks, guys. Well, at this point i relocated the Web Control and set it at folding while idle which sent the temps from 58 C to 29 C.

Heat sink paste - i'll have to see if my son-in-law or son have some leftover. This thing is sitting all "neked" next to me, so it'll be easy to work on - lol. i have to go look for the new config file because the Web Control came up w/o our user/team info and had to reinsert it - hmmm. It must not be using the same config file. Arg.

Again, thanks for replying and helping and have a great morning - ¿evening? - it looks like one of you might be in England...

psaam0001 · Post by **psaam0001** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:47 pm

Is there a setting your motherboards UEFI control panel for CPU Fan Speed??? If so, set it to full speed and save that setting as you exit it to restart your system. See if it makes a difference before trying what I have written below.

Should that not work, I would think that you might want to have the current CPU WU's in progress finish (and then pause CPU folding). Then power down your system, so you can carefully remove the CPU heat sink & fan unit (have a replacement cooling device ready if the one you are removing has those plastic clips that make it a pain to reuse). Then take a Q-tip (cotton swab) with a small amount of Isopropyl Alcohol, and gently clean the top surface of the CPU off. Do the same with the bottom side of the CPU cooling device before adding new thermal paste.

Once the cooling device is back in place, turn the system on and see if the temperature is stable when it is under full load. Observe the cooling fan as well, because if it is making a whining noise, that can be a clue that it is wearing out.

Should you think that replacement is needed, try one of the units from Noctua, as they have a [6]-year warranty. I'm going to suggest looking at NewEgg.com (one of my parts suppliers of choice).

[Adding]: This is the one I am using on my Ryzen 9 16-core system: https://www.newegg.com/noctua-nh-d9l/p/ ... 6835608068

Good luck!

Paul

frazelle09 · Post by **frazelle09** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:58 pm

Wow, psaam0001 - thanks for replying! i still need to get some paste but in the meantime, i'll check out the fan speed setting and see what happens when i turn this back on again. i suspect it will eventually freeze and i'll have a chance to shut it off and go into the BIOS.

Please take care and stay safe as well and have beautiful morning!

Yeroon · Post by **Yeroon** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:26 pm

Have you ran any programs to verify system stability under loads that arent FAH?
I'm fond of y-cruncher, simple cli options and can really push the hardware. It also shows the balance of what is being tested between cpu/ram, so if you fail a test, its easier to pinpoint any possible causes.

For monitoring, ryzen_smu gives a lot of detail about whats going on with your processor.

If this is a DIY build, have you set/checked memory speeds and timings?

frazelle09 · Post by **frazelle09** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:42 pm

Thank you for posting, Yeroon.

No, we haven't run any program to verify system stability under loads. i looked up y-cruncher in my Synaptic list, but didn't find it.

As far as ryzen_smu is concerned, i don't know what it is. Is it something in BIOS? or a little program which can be d/l and used?

i'm presently running a smartctl check on /sdb2 which is the OS because when the system finally fails and i hit the restart button, sometimes it comes up with a long list of these>

ext4-fs error (device sdb2): _ext4_find_entry (plus more stuff)

until i hold the reset button and turn off the machine.

Have a great afternoon1, Yeroon, and please stay safe!

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