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Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:35 pm**

Hello and happy to still be here... and folding!

Our machine is a B450 AORUS M with a Ryzen and we've been happily folding on it since we got it and learned how to install and run FAH. We're running under PCLinuxOS, fully updated but in the last 6 mo. or so the temps have been steadily rising from aroun 60 C at the beginning to the 88 C we now have. Of course here in Mexicali it's almost 40 C outside, but we're inside at around 29 or 30 C so ... i don't know whether to be worried, start saving for another MB, thow ice water at the CPU every once in a while or what.

Here is some more info...

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localhost.localdomain     
    description: Desktop Computer
    product: B450 AORUS M (Default string)
    vendor: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
    version: Default string
    serial: Default string
    width: 64 bits
    capabilities: smbios-3.3 dmi-3.3 vsyscall32
    configuration: boot=normal chassis=desktop family=Default string sku=Default string uuid=B4022E03-9904-EC05-5A06-A60700080009
  *-core
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       product: B450 AORUS M
       vendor: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
       physical id: 0
       version: x.x
       serial: Default string
       slot: Default string
     *-firmware
          description: BIOS
          vendor: American Megatrends Inc.
          physical id: 0
          version: F60e
          date: 12/09/2020
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          capacity: 15MiB
          capabilities: pci upgrade shadowing cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int14serial int17printer acpi usb biosbootspecification
     *-memory
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          slot: System board or motherboard
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             vendor: Unknown
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             serial: Unknown
             slot: DIMM 0
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             description: DIMM Synchronous 3200 MHz (0.3 ns)
             product: F4-3200C16-4GVKB
             vendor: Unknown
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             serial: 00000000
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             width: 64 bits
             clock: 3200MHz (0.3ns)
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             description: [empty]
             product: Unknown
             vendor: Unknown
             physical id: 2
             serial: Unknown
             slot: DIMM 0
        *-bank:3
             description: DIMM Synchronous 3200 MHz (0.3 ns)
             product: F4-3200C16-4GVKB
             vendor: Unknown
             physical id: 3
             serial: 00000000
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             size: 4GiB
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 3200MHz (0.3ns)
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          capacity: 2MiB
          clock: 1GHz (1.0ns)
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          capacity: 4MiB
          clock: 1GHz (1.0ns)
          capabilities: pipeline-burst internal write-back unified
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          vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
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          version: 00
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        *-generic UNCLAIMED
             description: IOMMU
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             vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
             physical id: 0.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:00.2
             version: 00
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             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: msi ht bus_master cap_list
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             vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
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             bus info: pci@0000:00:01.2
             version: 00
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pm pciexpress msi ht normal_decode bus_master cap_list
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             resources: irq:26 ioport:f000(size=4096) memory:fce00000-fcffffff
           *-usb
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                product: 400 Series Chipset USB 3.1 XHCI Controller
                vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
                version: 01
                width: 64 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: msi msix pm pciexpress xhci bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=xhci_hcd latency=0
                resources: irq:30 memory:fcfa0000-fcfa7fff
           *-storage
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                product: 400 Series Chipset SATA Controller
                vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
                physical id: 0.1
                bus info: pci@0000:01:00.1
                version: 01
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: storage msi pm pciexpress ahci_1.0 bus_master cap_list rom
                configuration: driver=ahci latency=0
                resources: irq:35 memory:fcf80000-fcf9ffff memory:fcf00000-fcf7ffff
           *-pci
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                vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
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                version: 01
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pci msi pm pciexpress normal_decode bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=pcieport
                resources: irq:29 ioport:f000(size=4096) memory:fce00000-fcefffff
              *-pci:0
                   description: PCI bridge
                   product: 400 Series Chipset PCIe Port
                   vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
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                   version: 01
                   width: 32 bits
                   clock: 33MHz
                   capabilities: pci msi pm pciexpress normal_decode bus_master cap_list
                   configuration: driver=pcieport
                   resources: irq:31 ioport:f000(size=4096) memory:fce00000-fcefffff
                 *-network
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                      product: RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
                      vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
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                      bus info: pci@0000:03:00.0
                      logical name: eth0
                      version: 16
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                      size: 1Gbit/s
                      capacity: 1Gbit/s
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                      clock: 33MHz
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                      configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 driverversion=5.15.4-pclos1 duplex=full firmware=rtl8168h-2_0.0.2 02/26/15 ip=192.168.100.3 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes port=twisted pair speed=1Gbit/s
                      resources: irq:30 ioport:f000(size=256) memory:fce04000-fce04fff memory:fce00000-fce03fff
              *-pci:1
                   description: PCI bridge
                   product: 400 Series Chipset PCIe Port
                   vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
                   physical id: 1
                   bus info: pci@0000:02:01.0
                   version: 01
                   width: 32 bits
                   clock: 33MHz
                   capabilities: pci msi pm pciexpress normal_decode bus_master cap_list
                   configuration: driver=pcieport
                   resources: irq:33
              *-pci:2
                   description: PCI bridge
                   product: 400 Series Chipset PCIe Port
                   vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
                   physical id: 4
                   bus info: pci@0000:02:04.0
                   version: 01
                   width: 32 bits
                   clock: 33MHz
                   capabilities: pci msi pm pciexpress normal_decode bus_master cap_list
                   configuration: driver=pcieport
                   resources: irq:34
        *-pci:1
             description: PCI bridge
             product: Raven/Raven2 Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to Bus A
             vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
             physical id: 8.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:08.1
             version: 00
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pm pciexpress msi normal_decode bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport
             resources: irq:27 ioport:e000(size=4096) memory:fca00000-fcdfffff ioport:d0000000(size=270532608)
           *-display
                description: VGA compatible controller
                product: Picasso/Raven 2 [Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile Series]
                vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:06:00.0
                version: c8
                width: 64 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm pciexpress msi msix vga_controller bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=amdgpu latency=0
                resources: irq:53 memory:d0000000-dfffffff memory:e0000000-e01fffff ioport:e000(size=256) memory:fcd00000-fcd7ffff memory:c0000-dffff
           *-multimedia:0
                description: Audio device
                product: Raven/Raven2/Fenghuang HDMI/DP Audio Controller
                vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
                physical id: 0.1
                bus info: pci@0000:06:00.1
                version: 00
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm pciexpress msi bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
                resources: irq:64 memory:fcd88000-fcd8bfff
           *-generic
                description: Encryption controller
                product: Family 17h (Models 10h-1fh) Platform Security Processor
                vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
                physical id: 0.2
                bus info: pci@0000:06:00.2
                version: 00
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm pciexpress msi msix bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=ccp latency=0
                resources: irq:65 memory:fcc00000-fccfffff memory:fcd8c000-fcd8dfff
           *-usb:0
                description: USB controller
                product: Raven USB 3.1
                vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
                physical id: 0.3
                bus info: pci@0000:06:00.3
                version: 00
                width: 64 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm pciexpress msi msix xhci bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=xhci_hcd latency=0
                resources: irq:44 memory:fcb00000-fcbfffff
           *-usb:1
                description: USB controller
                product: Raven USB 3.1
                vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
                physical id: 0.4
                bus info: pci@0000:06:00.4
                version: 00
                width: 64 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm pciexpress msi msix xhci bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=xhci_hcd latency=0
                resources: irq:53 memory:fca00000-fcafffff
           *-multimedia:1
                description: Audio device
                product: Family 17h/19h HD Audio Controller
                vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
                physical id: 0.6
                bus info: pci@0000:06:00.6
                version: 00
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm pciexpress msi bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
                resources: irq:66 memory:fcd80000-fcd87fff
        *-serial UNCLAIMED
             description: SMBus
             product: FCH SMBus Controller
             vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
             physical id: 14
             bus info: pci@0000:00:14.0
             version: 61
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             configuration: latency=0
        *-isa
             description: ISA bridge
             product: FCH LPC Bridge
             vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
             physical id: 14.3
             bus info: pci@0000:00:14.3
             version: 51
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: isa bus_master
             configuration: latency=0
     *-pci:1
          description: Host bridge
          product: Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge
          vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
          physical id: 101
          bus info: pci@0000:00:01.0
          version: 00
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 33MHz
     *-pci:2
          description: Host bridge
          product: Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge
          vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
          physical id: 102
          bus info: pci@0000:00:08.0
          version: 00
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 33MHz
     *-pci:3
          description: Host bridge
          product: Raven/Raven2 Device 24: Function 0
          vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
          physical id: 103
          bus info: pci@0000:00:18.0
          version: 00
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 33MHz
     *-pci:4
          description: Host bridge
          product: Raven/Raven2 Device 24: Function 1
          vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
          physical id: 104
          bus info: pci@0000:00:18.1
          version: 00
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 33MHz
     *-pci:5
          description: Host bridge
          product: Raven/Raven2 Device 24: Function 2
          vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
          physical id: 105
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          version: 00
          width: 32 bits
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     *-pci:6
          description: Host bridge
          product: Raven/Raven2 Device 24: Function 3
          vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
          physical id: 106
          bus info: pci@0000:00:18.3
          version: 00
          width: 32 bits
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          configuration: driver=k10temp
          resources: irq:0
     *-pci:7
          description: Host bridge
          product: Raven/Raven2 Device 24: Function 4
          vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
          physical id: 107
          bus info: pci@0000:00:18.4
          version: 00
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 33MHz
     *-pci:8
          description: Host bridge
          product: Raven/Raven2 Device 24: Function 5
          vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
          physical id: 108
          bus info: pci@0000:00:18.5
          version: 00
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 33MHz
     *-pci:9
          description: Host bridge
          product: Raven/Raven2 Device 24: Function 6
          vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
          physical id: 109
          bus info: pci@0000:00:18.6
          version: 00
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 33MHz
     *-pci:10
          description: Host bridge
          product: Raven/Raven2 Device 24: Function 7
          vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
          physical id: 10a
          bus info: pci@0000:00:18.7
          version: 00
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 33MHz
     *-scsi:0
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          logical name: scsi0
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        *-disk
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             physical id: 0.0.0
             bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
             logical name: /dev/sda
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             configuration: ansiversion=5 signature=f66c6426
           *-volume:0
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                vendor: mkfs.fat
                physical id: 1
                bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,1
                logical name: /dev/sda1
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                configuration: FATs=2 filesystem=fat
           *-volume:1
                description: Extended partition
                physical id: 2
                bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,2
                logical name: /dev/sda2
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                capacity: 465GiB
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                   capabilities: nofs
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                   logical name: /dev/sda7
                   logical name: /home
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     *-scsi:1
          physical id: 2
          logical name: scsi5
          capabilities: emulated
        *-disk
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             bus info: scsi@5:0.0.0
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           *-volume:0
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                physical id: 1
                bus info: scsi@5:0.0.0,1
                logical name: /dev/sdb1
                logical name: /boot/EFI
                version: FAT32
                serial: 20a8-83b4
                size: 298MiB
                capacity: 299MiB
                capabilities: boot fat initialized
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           *-volume:1
                description: EXT4 volume
                vendor: Linux
                physical id: 2
                bus info: scsi@5:0.0.0,2
                logical name: /dev/sdb2
                logical name: /
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                capabilities: journaled extended_attributes large_files huge_files dir_nlink recover 64bit extents ext4 ext2 initialized
                configuration: created=2021-01-22 20:08:31 filesystem=ext4 lastmountpoint=/ modified=2021-11-23 18:48:29 mount.fstype=ext4 mount.options=rw,relatime mounted=2022-06-22 07:08:28 state=mounted
           *-volume:2
                description: Linux swap volume
                physical id: 3
                bus info: scsi@5:0.0.0,3
                logical name: /dev/sdb3
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           *-volume:3
                description: EXT4 volume
                vendor: Linux
                physical id: 4
                bus info: scsi@5:0.0.0,4
                logical name: /dev/sdb4
                version: 1.0
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                size: 76GiB
                capacity: 76GiB
                capabilities: journaled extended_attributes large_files huge_files dir_nlink 64bit extents ext4 ext2 initialized
                configuration: created=2021-01-07 17:14:50 filesystem=ext4 lastmountpoint=/media/6f1f21cd-690a-408b-aca5-061cddc6752a modified=2021-03-07 10:34:38 mounted=2021-03-07 10:07:13 state=clean

Have a wonderful day, be happy and please stay safe!

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:47 pm**

You may want to remove your heat sink, clean off the thermal paste, apply new paste and remount.

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:55 pm**

Stability - if it's not throwing errors or random reboots then it's probably fine (famous last words?).

Temperature - The maximum temperature (Tjmax) for that chip is 95C, I'm not sure if that is case or core temperature (core usually measures higher than case) but with the chip showing 88C I'd be looking to lower it.
A couple of suggestions:-
*). give your system a good overall clean to rid it off dust. Pay particularly attention to the heatsinks, fans and anywhere that air enters or leaves your case. It does not have to be spotless. A good soft brush is all you need for this, I use a soft 2" paint brush. Dust build-up can affect and throttle the airflow through your system reducing its ability to remove heat.
*). clean off and replace the thermal paste on your heatsink, it degrades over time and gradually loses its ability to transfer heat.
*). if you're using the stock heatsink you may want to consider replacing it with a 3rd party cooler, this will help the CPU to run at lower temperatures. In most cases the stock cooler is just fine as the CPU sits idle most of the time and doesn't produce much heat. FAH is notorious for pushing hardware harder than most benchmarks so the components tend to run hotter.
Personally, I currently run my Ryzen 9 3900X at ~3.6GHz on a 240mm water cooling loop, I get temperatures in the high 40C to low 50C (core temperatures). I'm in the UK where our climate is cooler, currently we're getting 10-20C. I'm not suggesting you go water cooling, just perhaps a beefier air cooler.

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:16 pm**

Wow! Thanks, guys! You guys are fast - lol

i'll try the heatsink clean and new paste. The fan says AMD and for some reason or another i can't get the fan RPM from gKrellm program. Any recommendations on a better fan? We pretty much use ebay... In fact that's where i'm goingo to look for the paste.

Really appreciate your input and wonderful tips and advice. Again, please stay safe and have a wonderful afternoon!

Posted: **Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:13 pm**

Thermal paste - I'd recommend something like Arctic Silver 5 or Arctic MX-4, MX-5.

Cooler - someone else might be able to jump in here with a recommendation, I don't have one.
The vast majority of processors have their heat producing cores in the centre of the processor, so producing a heatsink for them isn't too much of an issue. Ryzen is different. It has its heat producing cores off to one side of the processor so makes capturing that heat harder. The heat is no longer where the older heatsinks expect it to be. I'm really out-of-date on air coolers and in no position to recommend or even suggest one suitable for Ryzen, sorry.

Posted: **Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:23 pm**

I undervolt all of my big Ryzens (3900X, 3950X, 5900X, 5950X) in the BIOS to keep them cool.

When you boot up, go into the BIOS and look for a setting for the CPU frequency and voltage.
For my 3900X for example, I run
Frequency: 3800 MHz
CPU Voltage: 1.17500 volts

If the voltage is too low or the frequency too high, you will crash. So you will need to experiment around for the best settings to keep your CPU cool.
I am usually able to keep them at less than 80C, typically in the mid-70's, but that is with Arctic water coolers.

The smaller chips should do OK with air cooling, but probably not the one supplied by AMD.
I like the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-hy ... 6835103278

Posted: **Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:32 pm**

Well, we took the machine apart and cleaned the CPU and applied new paste. Seems to be running @ 72 C now, which i think is better than before and our CPU use @ what appears to be 50% or so as reported by our gKrellm program.

So, we're gonna mark this as solved and send a great big hug to you guys and a super thanks to all!

Please stay safe and be happy!

Posted: **Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:49 am**

Excellent! 16-degree drop is massive!

Posted: **Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:44 pm**

Might as well use this same thread...

i've noticed that F@H is using the 8 cores of this Ryzen 5, which is alright, but it's using the full 100%! So the temps are back up close to 80 C. The Web Client only reports Low so who knows what's happening.

Is there a configuration file where we can see how this is set up and make changes?

Have a beautiful day and please stay safe!

Posted: **Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:39 am**

frazelle09 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:44 pm Might as well use this same thread...

i've noticed that F@H is using the 8 cores of this Ryzen 5, which is alright, but it's using the full 100%! So the temps are back up close to 80 C. The Web Client only reports Low so who knows what's happening.

Is there a configuration file where we can see how this is set up and make changes?

Have a beautiful day and please stay safe!

A number of things might impact this. I had seen your thread earlier but it seemed resolved, so I didn't add anything then.

Are you folding on CPU and iGPU or CPU only? I'm assuming both due to your temps. If this is the case then really 80 C isn't bad for that system, unless you really run your fans hard. Due to the unique integration of memory use sharing and graphics in that chip, it works fairly hard when both are folding. Combined with the memory being at 3200.... technically overclocked and thus probably at a higher voltage, I wouldn't be concerned with those temps. Between the way the CPU and iGPU share resources, along with work unit variation of loads, bumping up a few degrees is very easy as compared to your "just cleaned things up" temps, especially if your inside temps are still fairly warm.

IF you are folding on CPU only, temps will be similar if not the same. Though the iGPU draws power, it's not much. If CPU only folding it will just boost more and still get fairly warm with normal fan settings. And even if set to "Low" on the power slider, your heat might not be out of line. I have found on my 2400G that even 2 or 3 threads on the CPU still brings temps up if folding on the iGPU at the same time. Since your system runs quicker clocks on both CPU and iGPU it stands to reason it would produce more heat doing it.

I haven't used the Web Client in some time, but set on low you should be using 1/2 of your available threads, so in our case 3. Medium setting would fold on 6 threads, Full on 7. You can confirm this in the FAH logs when the client starts, fairly close near the top with the other configuration stuff.

You might be better off just folding using one or the other. Though using both CPU and iGPU at once does help PPD some, the increase isn't that great compared to systems with separate components, and the power use and heat rise quicker. Folding on just the iGPU is fairly efficient, and folding on CPU alone is in line with most standalone CPU's in regards to power use and PPD return. They just aren't great at doing both at once unless you can live with the fans running harder and the temp being up more.

I can run my 2400G on iGPU only and temps stay in the mid 40's. Even overclocked to 1550 Mhz mid 50's, and that is with fan profiles that lean towards quiet over lowest temps. Though I keep my home cooler, the case only has the power supply cooling fan and 1 120mm exhaust fan, as well as stock CPU cooler. Have you found a way to monitor your fan speeds yet? The stock coolers aren't that bad really, but tweaking the fan curves can help a lot.

Let us know what you try, and any other specifics that might impact things. I'd also be interested to know what kind of points you are getting. We have a 3400G in my daughters computer, but I haven't subjected it to any folding.... yet.

On a side note, I've travelled though your area a number of times, usually en route to the Gulf. A very uniquely beautiful part of the world, and it holds some very fond memories of both land borne and marine life for me. The wild side of us humans pales in comparison to some of those encounters.

Posted: **Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:58 pm**

Dear Bob. Wow. This is like a monster response. i really appreciate all your comments.

Here's a little bit of the log

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14:31:46:******************************* System ********************************
14:31:46:        CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3400G with Radeon Vega Graphics
14:31:46:     CPU ID: AuthenticAMD Family 23 Model 24 Stepping 1
14:31:46:       CPUs: 8
14:31:46:     Memory: 5.81GiB
14:31:46:Free Memory: 4.29GiB
14:31:46:    Threads: POSIX_THREADS
14:31:46: OS Version: 5.15
14:31:46:Has Battery: false
14:31:46: On Battery: false
14:31:46: UTC Offset: -7
14:31:46:        PID: 3195
14:31:46:        CWD: /home/frazelle09
14:31:46:         OS: Linux 5.15.4-pclos1 x86_64
14:31:46:    OS Arch: AMD64
14:31:46:       GPUs: 0
14:31:46:       CUDA: Not detected: Failed to open dynamic library 'libcuda.so':
14:31:46:             libcuda.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
14:31:46:             directory
14:31:46:     OpenCL: Not detected: Failed to open dynamic library 'libOpenCL.so':
14:31:46:             libOpenCL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
14:31:46:             directory
14:31:46:***********************************************************************
14:31:46:<config>
14:31:46:  <!-- Slot Control -->
14:31:46:  <power v='LIGHT'/>
14:31:46:
14:31:46:  <!-- User Information -->
14:31:46:  <passkey v='*****'/>
14:31:46:  <team v='251683'/>
14:31:46:  <user v='Fred_Frazelle'/>
14:31:46:
14:31:46:  <!-- Folding Slots -->
14:31:46:  <slot id='0' type='CPU'/>
14:31:46:</config>
14:31:46:Trying to access database...
14:31:46:Successfully acquired database lock
14:31:46:FS00:Initialized folding slot 00: cpu:4
14:31:46:WU00:FS00:Starting
14:31:46:WU00:FS00:Running FahCore: /usr/bin/FAHCoreWrapper /home/frazelle09/cores/cores.foldingathome.org/lin/64bit-avx2-256/a8-0.0.12/Core_a8.fah/FahCore_a8 -dir 00 -suffix 01 -version 706 -lifeline 3195 -checkpoint 15 -np 4
14:31:46:WU00:FS00:Started FahCore on PID 3267
14:31:46:WU00:FS00:Core PID:3274
14:31:46:WU00:FS00:FahCore 0xa8 started

Still trying to figure out why the Client reports Low and we're using all the cores... ??

Thanks again for providing so much info! Have a wonderful afternoon and please stay safe!

Posted: **Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:33 pm**

Your Ryzen 5 3400G has 4 cores which support 8 processing threads. The Light setting uses half of the available threads/cores, so the client will process on 4 threads. The OS scheduler will distribute those process threads to separate cores first, then schedule additional threads to whichever core it sees as less busy.

Other notes - you get more points using a passkey and then getting the bonus points for early return. I don't see a passkey configured in the log section you posted.

You can manually set the number of threads lower if you want using FAHControl Configure.

Slider settings are Full - all available threads will be used, Medium - all but one thread will be used, and Light - half the available threads will be used for CPU processing. There is some differences from that exact amount due to rounding off numeric results to integers. The choices for these slider settings were made years ago when processors with more than 4-6 threads available were uncommon. A future version of the client may handle this differently.

Posted: **Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:31 am**

frazelle09 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:58 pm Dear Bob. Wow. This is like a monster response. i really appreciate all your comments.

Here's a little bit of the log

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14:31:46:******************************* System ********************************
14:31:46:        CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3400G with Radeon Vega Graphics
14:31:46:     CPU ID: AuthenticAMD Family 23 Model 24 Stepping 1
14:31:46:       CPUs: 8
14:31:46:     Memory: 5.81GiB
14:31:46:Free Memory: 4.29GiB
14:31:46:    Threads: POSIX_THREADS
14:31:46: OS Version: 5.15
14:31:46:Has Battery: false
14:31:46: On Battery: false
14:31:46: UTC Offset: -7
14:31:46:        PID: 3195
14:31:46:        CWD: /home/frazelle09
14:31:46:         OS: Linux 5.15.4-pclos1 x86_64
14:31:46:    OS Arch: AMD64
14:31:46:       GPUs: 0
14:31:46:       CUDA: Not detected: Failed to open dynamic library 'libcuda.so':
14:31:46:             libcuda.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
14:31:46:             directory
14:31:46:     OpenCL: Not detected: Failed to open dynamic library 'libOpenCL.so':
14:31:46:             libOpenCL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
14:31:46:             directory
14:31:46:***********************************************************************
14:31:46:<config>
14:31:46:  <!-- Slot Control -->
14:31:46:  <power v='LIGHT'/>
14:31:46:
14:31:46:  <!-- User Information -->
14:31:46:  <passkey v='*****'/>
14:31:46:  <team v='251683'/>
14:31:46:  <user v='Fred_Frazelle'/>
14:31:46:
14:31:46:  <!-- Folding Slots -->
14:31:46:  <slot id='0' type='CPU'/>
14:31:46:</config>
14:31:46:Trying to access database...
14:31:46:Successfully acquired database lock
14:31:46:FS00:Initialized folding slot 00: cpu:4
14:31:46:WU00:FS00:Starting
14:31:46:WU00:FS00:Running FahCore: /usr/bin/FAHCoreWrapper /home/frazelle09/cores/cores.foldingathome.org/lin/64bit-avx2-256/a8-0.0.12/Core_a8.fah/FahCore_a8 -dir 00 -suffix 01 -version 706 -lifeline 3195 -checkpoint 15 -np 4
14:31:46:WU00:FS00:Started FahCore on PID 3267
14:31:46:WU00:FS00:Core PID:3274
14:31:46:WU00:FS00:FahCore 0xa8 started

Still trying to figure out why the Client reports Low and we're using all the cores... ??

Thanks again for providing so much info! Have a wonderful afternoon and please stay safe!

If you look a few lines above the bottom of this log section, you will see this line:

14:31:46:FS00:Initialized folding slot 00: cpu:4

That indicates that 4 threads were being used, because F@H calls threads CPU's in this application.

It might be down to just fan curves, and/or case ventilation. Since I use GPU folding I can only use 7 threads max for CPU, but even with a simple case and the right fan curves, I can keep temps down to 80ish folding on all available cores and the stock cooler. But keep in mind that you might simply have the fans curves set up in a way to not maximize cooling. Often you will have BIOS options that are pre-set, and/or have provisions for custom settings.

Posted: **Thu Sep 01, 2022 2:23 am**

Thanks for replying! You know i see that gKrellm shows all 8 cores being used at 100%. It's running at 78 C so i'm not too worried as per your comments but i am kind of weirded out because like you say, it should be just using 4 cores and it's not.

Have happy evening and please stay safe!

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