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Low PPD with 3090

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:51 pm
by quengilar
Hi Everyone,

I just updated it from a 1080Ti to a 3090, and I'm not sure if I have something messed up with my settings, but I've been getting pretty low PPD counts (it appears this was also an issue with the 1080Ti, and I didn't realize it). The 3090 is currently running at about 1.7m PPD, but from what I've been reading, it seems like it should be closer to 4m-6m PPD. I'm not sure if this is an availability issue with jobs or something else I can troubleshoot. Included is the first ~100 lines of my log if anyone here is more adept at interpreting those.

Thanks for the help!

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*********************** Log Started 2020-12-27T21:04:30Z ***********************
21:04:30:******************************* libFAH ********************************
21:04:30:           Date: Oct 20 2020
21:04:30:           Time: 13:36:55
21:04:30:       Revision: 5ca109d295a6245e2a2f590b3d0085ad5e567aeb
21:04:30:         Branch: master
21:04:30:       Compiler: Visual C++ 2015
21:04:30:        Options: /TP /nologo /EHa /wd4297 /wd4103 /O2 /Zc:throwingNew /MT
21:04:30:       Platform: win32 10
21:04:30:           Bits: 32
21:04:30:           Mode: Release
21:04:30:****************************** FAHClient ******************************
21:04:30:        Version: 7.6.21
21:04:30:         Author: Joseph Coffland <[email protected]>
21:04:30:      Copyright: 2020 foldingathome.org
21:04:30:       Homepage: https://foldingathome.org/
21:04:30:           Date: Oct 20 2020
21:04:30:           Time: 13:41:04
21:04:30:       Revision: 6efbf0e138e22d3963e6a291f78dcb9c6422a278
21:04:30:         Branch: master
21:04:30:       Compiler: Visual C++ 2015
21:04:30:        Options: /TP /nologo /EHa /wd4297 /wd4103 /O2 /Zc:throwingNew /MT
21:04:30:       Platform: win32 10
21:04:30:           Bits: 32
21:04:30:           Mode: Release
21:04:30:         Config: C:\ProgramData\FAHClient\config.xml
21:04:30:******************************** CBang ********************************
21:04:30:           Date: Oct 20 2020
21:04:30:           Time: 11:36:18
21:04:30:       Revision: 7e4ce85225d7eaeb775e87c31740181ca603de60
21:04:30:         Branch: master
21:04:30:       Compiler: Visual C++ 2015
21:04:30:        Options: /TP /nologo /EHa /wd4297 /wd4103 /O2 /Zc:throwingNew /MT
21:04:30:       Platform: win32 10
21:04:30:           Bits: 32
21:04:30:           Mode: Release
21:04:30:******************************* System ********************************
21:04:30:            CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700X Eight-Core Processor
21:04:30:         CPU ID: AuthenticAMD Family 23 Model 1 Stepping 1
21:04:30:           CPUs: 16
21:04:30:         Memory: 31.95GiB
21:04:30:    Free Memory: 26.70GiB
21:04:30:        Threads: WINDOWS_THREADS
21:04:30:     OS Version: 6.2
21:04:30:    Has Battery: false
21:04:30:     On Battery: false
21:04:30:     UTC Offset: -8
21:04:30:            PID: 13528
21:04:30:            CWD: C:\ProgramData\FAHClient
21:04:30:  Win32 Service: false
21:04:30:             OS: Windows 10 Home
21:04:30:        OS Arch: AMD64
21:04:30:           GPUs: 1
21:04:30:          GPU 0: Bus:31 Slot:0 Func:0 NVIDIA:8 GA102 [GeForce RTX 3090]
21:04:30:  CUDA Device 0: Platform:0 Device:0 Bus:31 Slot:0 Compute:8.6 Driver:11.2
21:04:30:OpenCL Device 0: Platform:0 Device:0 Bus:31 Slot:0 Compute:1.2 Driver:460.89
21:04:30:***********************************************************************
21:04:31:<config>
21:04:31:  <!-- Slot Control -->
21:04:31:  <power v='FULL'/>
21:04:31:
21:04:31:  <!-- User Information -->
21:04:31:  <team v='267947'/>
21:04:31:  <user v='lforrest'/>
21:04:31:
21:04:31:  <!-- Folding Slots -->
21:04:31:  <slot id='0' type='CPU'/>
21:04:31:  <slot id='1' type='GPU'>
21:04:31:    <pci-bus v='31'/>
21:04:31:    <pci-slot v='0'/>
21:04:31:  </slot>
21:04:31:</config>
21:04:31:Trying to access database...
21:04:31:Successfully acquired database lock
21:04:31:FS00:Initialized folding slot 00: cpu:15
21:04:31:FS01:Initialized folding slot 01: gpu:31:0 GA102 [GeForce RTX 3090]
21:04:31:WU01:FS00:Starting
21:04:31:WU01:FS00:Running FahCore: "C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient/FAHCoreWrapper.exe" C:\ProgramData\FAHClient\cores/cores.foldingathome.org/win/64bit-avx-256/a7-0.0.19/Core_a7.fah/FahCore_a7.exe -dir 01 -suffix 01 -version 706 -lifeline 13528 -checkpoint 15 -np 15
21:04:31:WU01:FS00:Started FahCore on PID 17256
21:04:31:WU01:FS00:Core PID:17472
21:04:31:WU01:FS00:FahCore 0xa7 started

Re: Low PPD with 3090

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:19 pm
by JimboPalmer
You do not appear to have a passkey.

Without a passkey, you do not get Quick Return Bonus points.

https://test.foldingathome.org/support/ ... s/passkey/

Once you enter a passkey and complete 10 Work Units with a 80% or better success rate, you will get the QRB and your points will jump.

You may wish to set CPUs to 12, as 15 is problematical.

Re: Low PPD with 3090

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:27 pm
by foldy
JimboPalmer wrote:You may wish to set CPUs to 12, as 15 is problematical.
Not necessary anymore to do manual tweaks. It is done by FahCore automatically.

Re: Low PPD with 3090

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:53 pm
by Neil-B
Fairly sure a7 core still has issues so while they are still around which I believe they are they avoiding 15 may save on the occasional issue

Re: Low PPD with 3090

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:55 pm
by Neil-B
.. and damn 5.5k+ posts between us three .. I know we won't catch up with Bruce but hey :)

Re: Low PPD with 3090

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:11 pm
by PantherX
FahCore_a7 would throw Domain Decomposition error if the assigned Project is too small for 15 CPUs. This can be changed on the Project to prevent this from happening.
FahCore_a8 would not throw an error due to different workaround that's currently in place.

I would set it to 12 to ensure that you have 4 CPUs free to feed the GPU and pick up any OS tasks.

Re: Low PPD with 3090

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:17 pm
by quengilar
JimboPalmer wrote:You do not appear to have a passkey.

Without a passkey, you do not get Quick Return Bonus points.

https://test.foldingathome.org/support/ ... s/passkey/

Once you enter a passkey and complete 10 Work Units with a 80% or better success rate, you will get the QRB and your points will jump.

You may wish to set CPUs to 12, as 15 is problematical.
You know, I signed up using a personal email address that isn't common, and I don't think it ever came through. I used a different email address, and now I have a key. Glad this was a simple issue. Just like that, I'm at 4.4m PPD. Thanks for the quick response!

Re: Low PPD with 3090

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:37 pm
by JimboPalmer
Thank you for reporting back. It helps to know I am on the right track.

Re: Low PPD with 3090

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:59 pm
by Neil-B
Just to manage expectations as mentioned in previous guidance your client will report the estimated ppd as if the passkey is active as soon as you enter it but until the user/team/passkey grouping successfully completes 10 WUs you won't actually be awarded the qrb so you will actually get much less until then .. the figure you see in the client overestimates for the first ten WUs completed

Re: Low PPD with 3090

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:20 am
by quengilar
JimboPalmer wrote:Thank you for reporting back. It helps to know I am on the right track.
Can't be the guy who solves the problem and never updates anyone!
Neil-B wrote:Just to manage expectations as mentioned in previous guidance your client will report the estimated ppd as if the passkey is active as soon as you enter it but until the user/team/passkey grouping successfully completes 10 WUs you won't actually be awarded the qrb so you will actually get much less until then .. the figure you see in the client overestimates for the first ten WUs completed
Hey, I managed to get something like 160 WU done before I even recognized a problem, whats 10 more?

Re: Low PPD with 3090

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:34 am
by BobWilliams757
quengilar wrote:Hey, I managed to get something like 160 WU done before I even recognized a problem, whats 10 more?
Without using a passkey, I was folding and wondering how in the world people got so many points. Even though I had a very basic APU system, I didn't realize the QRB contributed so many points.

You will be blazing with that thing.

Re: Low PPD with 3090

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:19 am
by MeeLee
Still stuck at 4.4M PPD?
That's a number I get on my 2080TI.

Re: Low PPD with 3090

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:01 pm
by quengilar
MeeLee wrote:Still stuck at 4.4M PPD?
That's a number I get on my 2080TI.
Seems to average around that, but I just leave it running in the background, this isn't a dedicated folding machine. If I'm not using the PC and it has a consistent folding workload it seems to float up to about 7m PPD.