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Or what does it mean?
On: http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main ... amnum=1971

At this time I've got an "overall rank" or "Donor Rank" of 111.

But on the "daily user summary" list at: http://fah-web.stanford.edu/daily_user_summary.txt

I'm about 318th on the list.

I haven't contributed under any other username or team account, so there are no other points that boost me up to 111th.

I know I'm a really nice guy, but:
a) not nice enough to give me THAT much of a boost
b) there's no FAH scientific value in being a nice guy

does anybody know why I have a Donor Rank of 111?

Somebody else has folded using the same name, I would guess (by the way, anybody is welcome to fold using my name - after 5 years folding and not even in the top 50,000 donors I need all the help I can get! )

What if 2 people are tied for points? You would still rank 1 higher, but in the list of all donors it would still be the same length.

Also, not sure if all accounts are ranked. I don't think Anonymous counts in the user rankings. Probably the same with some Pande Lab accounts.

Looks like a bug, or a different interpretation of "donor rank". PDC, awachs, AtlasFolder, Scott_H and kennish all show "donor rank" of 2.

Yea its been totally wrong ever since I noticed it 2 years ago - use EOC, kakao, or equiv if u want accurate rank of your contributions

Not wrong..... just computed differently.

@7im: I think a difference of 207 (318 - 111) rank positions is not accounted for by a few accounts that aren't ranked (like Anonymous).
Another way to look at it is that I have a little over 34,000,000 points. To actually rank 111th on the daily user summary, I'd have to have just about double that.

7im wrote:What if 2 people are tied for points? You would still rank 1 higher, but in the list of all donors it would still be the same length.

Also, not sure if all accounts are ranked. I don't think Anonymous counts in the user rankings. Probably the same with some Pande Lab accounts.

@patonb: OK, do you know just how the computations are different?

patonb wrote:Not wrong..... just computed differently.

@ AtwaterFS: Yeah, EOC has me @ 316 today . . . sound like that's about right.

AtwaterFS wrote:Yea its been totally wrong ever since I noticed it 2 years ago - use EOC, kakao, or equiv if u want accurate rank of your contributions

@ John: The difference between me @ 316 (today) with 34,166,987 points and the guy who really is @ 111 with around 68,000,000 points is a little too large to be accounted for by someone else folding with my name.

I've been keeping a close eye on my points stats. I have them all the way back to December 12, 2004 (when, with 664 points I was ranked 148,629th out of 403,123). No body snuck 34,000,000 points in while I wasn't lookin'.

John_Weatherman wrote:Somebody else has folded using the same name, I would guess (by the way, anybody is welcome to fold using my name - after 5 years folding and not even in the top 50,000 donors I need all the help I can get! )

Did n't realize it was such a big difference. Maybe Stanford can explain this one - they did change the donor stats awhile ago to not show project details. Could be that has messed things up (if not, where are my extra 34 million points?! )

Suppose there are three donor accounts: John, JOHN, and [email protected]. Should they be combined to give a single place in the standings or should they be treated at three different people?

If they're all at a higher rank than you, your position can change by +-2 depending on how you answer that question.

Seems like something's amiss by just looking at the top donors - anonymous and PS3 are both ranked 1, then the next 7 are ranked 2, places 10 to 15 are ranked 3, 16 to 20 ranked 5. I suppose it carries on like that, which would explain why there's a difference.

@ bruce: That's a nice supposition . . . only problem is, that there are only 3 pairs of usernames with more points than me in the "daily user summary":
- anonymous
- Jester
- mikejhyatt

None of the other top 318 usernames have any resemblances like you suggest.

So this supposition only accounts for 3 positions.

Even if there are duplicates, where one has more points than me, and another has less points, it wouldn't change my ranking.

But John Weatherman has pointed out above how ranking is messed up, I mean really! 7 donors in the top 10 are ranked @ 2!?

bruce wrote:Suppose there are three donor accounts: John, JOHN, and [email protected]. Should they be combined to give a single place in the standings or should they be treated at three different people?

If they're all at a higher rank than you, your position can change by +-2 depending on how you answer that question.

Just as a comparison, I'm at 51,718 according to Stanford and 56,906 according to Kakao. So that's more then 5,000 out.