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[Grandpa_01]

But yet the Incentive was just removed. Lets see how many will be built from this point forward. I here just the oppisite of what you hear.

So maybe you will want to build 1 now.

[7im]

SOME incentive, not all. And BA still has the same incentive as several other BA projects, just not the selective cake WUs.

And you might want to listen to more than just your co[h]orts.

If I built one, I'd use BD or PD cores instead of MC so that I didn't have to upgrade again when AVX comes.

[bruce]

When do the 690x projects end then?

All projects end when the scientific goals of the project are achieved. Sometimes the scientist can predict when that might be and sometimes the only way to know is to look at the results and say "Aha". It has nothing to do with points or what hardware you might or might not have.

I could stop the SR2 and fold on the 2600K with 690x, but my total PPD will go down so that is not an option.

Of course it's an option -- just not one that's appealing to you.

I know that the discussion about 690x generation is over, but I can not help but wonder why they can not be allowed to run on the 4P rigs as long as they are here? Who would be harmed by such an arrangement? And when the new generation was ready, then changed one over just like that, in one big bang!

Because scientifically speaking, the 4P rig is more valuable folding projects that only it can do in spite of the fact that the PPD will be lower.

[Macaholic]

But yet the Incentive was just removed. Lets see how many will be built from this point forward. I here just the oppisite of what you hear.

Inaccurate statement, the incentive is still there. If one happens to congregate with those of a myopic view, then nothing less is to be expected.

[-alias-]

I think I will give Grandpa_01 right in saying that the number of 4P rigs will fall. I build no more until I know what's coming. It is as in the community, one must expect a certain amount of predictability that planning is based on!

SOME incentive, not all. And BA still has the same incentive as several other BA projects, just not the selective cake WUs.

If I built one, I'd use BD or PD cores instead of MC so that I didn't have to upgrade again when AVX comes.

What is AVX that everyone talks about?

[7im]

Fall? Not likely, except by spite. They may not grow as fast. That's the way it goes, until AVX revives the upgrade cycle again.

What is coming has not changed. There is no unpredictability. PG changed to a 16 core format a long time ago, and the old WUs are finally dying off as stated back then. P8101 is the first WU on the new format, and they will continue in that format until the next BA review 12-18 months from now. May or may not change then.

This is all based on the current plan. The plan has not changed.

[-alias-]

I thought about planning as a donor, not the one PG have to do. When I use $25,000 as a donor on new hardware I expect to be able to use the investment optimal for more than 2 - 3 months.

But ok, I understand that we are out of the issue here so we can stop there.

[7im]

BA folding IS optimal. BA folding is the way to do the most good for the project. That has not changed.

BA did not just end like some people would have you believe. BA folding will continue for a long time.

[-alias-]

You chose to continue! BA folding is not financial or good for the environment on Earth anymore because PPD / Watt ratio is too poor. A G34 rig is doing the same job twice as good when it comes to power draw. Example: A 2600k has a PPD / watt ratio of 80,000 / 200 = 400 while a G34 with 4 x 6176se has a PPD / Watt ratio of 510,000 / 635 = 803. The example is with the WU 6903. If we use P8101 in the calculation the answer is as follows for the G34, 326,000 / 670 = 487, not as bad environmentally as BA folding, but bad enough. The best solution for the environment on Earth is to fold BA on G34 rigs when it comes to PPD / Watt, and that what it is all about for most of the folders.

But it all comes from the way in which side you look at it from.

[Jesse_V]

I know I'll be pushing this even more off topic, but -alias-, the flaw in your statement above is that you are drawing a conclusion about the environmental impact of BA folding based on made-up numbers that we call points. Look everyone, points are great, and they mean something to me to, but let's try to avoid getting overly sucked into a sense of entitlement or something. The points are made up, and there may (or may not) be mistakes in the way that they're given out, but its the science that matters in the end. Bigadv machines do a ton of science.

[Macaholic]

If there are, indeed, any problems with said server, someone from the Pande Group will unlock and post. Otherwise, this thread has degenerated into yet another points quagmire. Locked.