A plea for more cancer projects

[iceman1992]

They are on psummary, which is a list of currently running projects.

Oh good then. But I don't recall ever receiving them. It seems that when I receive a particular project WU, the next few WUs are also from the same project (or project group), is that normal?

[jimerickson]

yes that is normal.

[verlyol]

Very happy to have a new project on cancer...Fold on !

[iceman1992]

Very happy to have a new project on cancer...Fold on !

I'm hoping soon it will be one of the major projects, with the same priority as AD for instance. I'm very sure many people feel the same way. I'm just sad I haven't got those WUs (as far as I can remember)

[Jesse_V]

http://folding.typepad.com/news/2012/07 ... enwik.html Seriously, this is awesome.

[VijayPande]

PS There are other cancer projects we are prototyping now, for hopeful rollout to FAH. Dr. Diwakar Shukla in particular is also writing a grant for us to use FAH to study certain forms of pediatric cancer.

[Grandpa_01]

Berkeley = BOINC Projects just curious as to the reason they are expanding this project to F@H rather than running it on the BOINC projects. Is there something that F@H can do with this project that boinc can not. ?

[Jesse_V]

Berkeley = BOINC Projects just curious as to the reason they are expanding this project to F@H rather than running it on the BOINC projects. Is there something that F@H can do with this project that boinc can not. ?

Idk, maybe give it up to six petaFLOPS worth of performance?

[bruce]

Berkeley = BOINC Projects just curious as to the reason they are expanding this project to F@H rather than running it on the BOINC projects. Is there something that F@H can do with this project that boinc can not. ?

Absolutely. And BOINC can do things that FAH cannot. (Well, can/cannot is too absolute for my taste. It would be better to say does well/does poorly about both of them.)

Both Seti@home and Folding@home were very early DC projects and built their own methodology of managing WUs and managing servers. BOINC extracted that structure and published it, rewriting Seti to be one of the first projects to be built on top of BOINC. BOINC is that structure on which DC projects can be developed, not the projects themselves, many of which are developed by 3rd parties, not by Berkeley. FAH is still both a structure on which DC projects are built and a family of projects. Most of the FAH projects are around FahCores that are built from GROMACS or OpenMM or a couple of others. Do you see GROMACS running on BOINC?

There are some important differences in the underlying structure. BOINC was originally developed for massively parallel WUs where WUs were not sequential and the quantity of work was (almost) the only criteria. The FAH structure was originally developed for serial/parallel WUs where speed and sequence were more critical than the quantity of work completed. That's no longer 100% true, but FAH developed the SMP client and the Quick Return Bonus as a means to deal with WUs that are generated from the previously completed WU whereas most BOINC projects start with WUs all of which have been pre-generated.

At one time Genome@home was built on top of Folding@home's underlying structure. The project ended many years ago, but every WU was independent of every other WU. Nobody cared if you downloaded multiple WUs or if you stopped working on one G@H Wu to work on another as long as you eventually finished both of them. Quantity mattered, not speed. Structurally speaking, G@H could have been built on top of BOINC.

Dr. Chodera's projects are asking the kinds of scientific questions that are best answered by FAH (both the FahCores and the underlying structure) and that has nothing to do with a cross-bay Berkeley vs. Stanford rivalry.

[iceman1992]

PS There are other cancer projects we are prototyping now, for hopeful rollout to FAH. Dr. Diwakar Shukla in particular is also writing a grant for us to use FAH to study certain forms of pediatric cancer.

Brilliant.. Glad to know that

[Calendyr]

I totally agree with the original poster. My main reason for joining F@H is cancer research.

[Grandpa_01]

Thanks for the explanation bruce.

[7im]

I totally agree with the original poster. My main reason for joining F@H is cancer research.

Then according to the latest NEWS post, you're working on the right project.

[Jonazz]

PS There are other cancer projects we are prototyping now, for hopeful rollout to FAH. Dr. Diwakar Shukla in particular is also writing a grant for us to use FAH to study certain forms of pediatric cancer.

Awesome, thanks!

[verlyol]

PS There are other cancer projects we are prototyping now, for hopeful rollout to FAH. Dr. Diwakar Shukla in particular is also writing a grant for us to use FAH to study certain forms of pediatric cancer.

This is great news, which is highly motivating for me ...